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okay and we're ready to take some

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woman I have a question or a mr. Dolan

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yeah well I been wanting to ask you this

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Richard for quite some time and we're

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very tri-lamb I'll try to formulate this

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as good as I can in 2001 and the

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disclosure project was rolling in

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America led by Steven Greer and what

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I've heard Gate gained quite a momentum

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at that time IIIi don't know if that is

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true at least had some influence on the

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media some months later the attack and

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the World Trade Center happened and sort

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of threw the world into panic and fear

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of terrorism and we sort of a bump that

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know of eight years or so later when we

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had bombed the out of that global

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economic crisis kept was Road brewing

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and it seems to me that there may be a

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that always wants to keep us interfere

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and to your knowledge have in any of you

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have any of your sources or I guess I

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I'm asking you to speculate on this

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could this be related to this topic you

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know to keep the global people focus

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away from the UFO I'm focused on fear

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yeah yeah I follow you so the question

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is is 9/11 in some way related either

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directly to the disclosure press

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conference of May 2001 or and then more

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generally are are these types of false

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flag and fear-based

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operations designed to keep us in

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ignorance about UFOs first of all I will

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go to my grave stating openly that I

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know as much as any rational man can

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know that 9/11 was some kind of inside

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job and I've said this for many years in

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fact I to my knowledge I was the first

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like UFO researcher in my country to

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start talking about it I got to stopped

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at airports for two years because I

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think because of this they never give

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you an answer they would let me fly but

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they would they would just make me wait

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like 15 20 minutes every time I would

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fly it got to be annoying my father

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worked at the World Trade Center

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actually he had the day off he was a

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retired police officer man he shared his

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job with was killed it was a very

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personal thing for me I'm from New York

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I don't believe though that that was

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directly related to the press conference

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the disclosure conference I do believe

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it was done in order to destroy my

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country that is to create a kind of new

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form of fascism which is well underway I

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think it was done in order to justify

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two wars that would never ever have been

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able to be justified otherwise and it

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was done to create a legal revolution

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from above with all of which has been

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done and it is necessary to create a

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fear-based Society in the US in there

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piñon because otherwise you'd have a lot

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of angry uppity Americans right now

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angry about the loss of their jobs going

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to overseas and the basic destruction of

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the lifestyle that Americans have become

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accustomed to which is now going away so

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in order to facilitate that process

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you've got to scare the out of

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people pardon me you have to beat them

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down with a stick year after year after

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year and that has been done and there's

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been no change with one President to the

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next obviously so I don't think it's

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related to UFOs the disclosure press

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conference I remember when that happened

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I was a new guy and you UFOs at the time

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I followed it carefully I think it could

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never have succeeded because it was a

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great idea and I fought the execution of

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it it's easy to be critical when you're

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not part of it I realize but I think it

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was a classic case of getting greedy

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it's one thing to get 1,200 people in

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the National Press Club in Washington DC

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and get good witnesses to talk about the

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reality of this that's enough for a

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day's work but instead there is an

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agenda and whether we can agree or not

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with it the agenda to ban space-based

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weapons in my opinion was a fatal

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mistake absolutely the wrong thing to do

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at that time because that puts them at

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war with Donald Rumsfeld and the u.s.

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Pentagon

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alright let's fight one battle at a time

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that's my attitude and and the other

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problem that I had with that was the

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rationale given by dr. Steven Greer

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which was that we we don't need

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space-based weapons because we know that

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these other beings are peaceful because

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if they weren't peaceful they would have

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destroyed us by now and I beg your

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pardon but I don't find that logic

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persuasive at all and and the other

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thing about trying to ban space-based

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weapons honestly that would be like

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trying to stop technological advances in

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militaries around the world you cannot

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do it I mean go

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to the first world war look at the

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development of aviation they start with

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reconnaissance aircraft and then the

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other side thinks well we have to shoot

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them down so they develop airplanes with

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machine guns on them and then you know

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you develop bomber aircraft and all it

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everything escalates and in weapons and

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space spaces is paramount the center of

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gravity for all military operations is

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not on the ground it's in space and if

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you control space

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you control warfare that's why the u.s.

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won the Gulf War in 1991 because they

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controlled space so there is never ever

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where the US military is just gonna walk

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away from that so by having a press

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conference I mean we can all probably

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think yes let's get rid of weapons in

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space I'm fine with that but it's it's a

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ridiculous argument to make politically

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in Washington when you're trying to do

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something else anyway

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you're trying to get a world that thinks

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UFOs are to take that seriously

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and so it was a classic case of

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overreach so it wouldn't it was never

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blessing I'll say because I don't want

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to hog this microphone is that there is

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a constant effort to ridicule the UFO

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phenomenon in the mainstream and we know

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for sure that the CIA has had assets

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within global media for years and years

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and years we know this it's it's out in

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the openness in academic libraries so

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that happens so there are always proxies

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in the media whose job it is to ridicule

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and disable the UFO phenomena and that's

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how they do it they don't need to they

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don't need really to use secrecy anymore

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not really they just make fun of it and

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that works

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hello I could like to hear your thinking

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or thoughts about what are they doing

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coming to contact us are there any

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reason are there different opportunities

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no different reasons why they are coming

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to the earth this is something many of

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us can answer I mean we can all probably

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contribute to this does anyone want to

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talk about this so your question was I'm

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sorry you why why are they here if they

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are trying to contact us I have a

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feeling that from the many cases I I've

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studied that they do not take that do

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not intentionally try to make contact

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with us on the contrary it seems like

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they would sit off as soon as there's a

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camera or anybody else but still the

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question is what's their motivation

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behind that and that's an an interesting

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thing that that when I first heard that

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the former Canadian Defense Minister

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back in 2008 he said they're here

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because of the atomic of the nuclear

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technology and I thought well okay you

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know how do you substantiate that but it

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was an interesting statement and then

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lately I've come across so many cases I

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haven't shown you the one writer trace

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that I that I still had that was not in

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my presentation where you see UFO traces

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near a nuclear power plant but then you

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also see just recently the Australians

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released a document where there is a UFO

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near nuclear or weapons site and then

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the most fascinating thing is that for

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the German translation of a French

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presentation of Xavier passu the

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director of the French official UFO

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program and they they have been making

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statistics for four decades

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and in their statistics it says that

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UFOs are especially interested in

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nuclear sites whatsoever so that is an

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that is an official statistics from from

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the French government if you want so

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especially you know over nuclear sites

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so what does it mean I don't know does

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want to prevent us doing any harm to

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their whatever I have no idea but it has

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it seems to be to me there seems to be

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something with nuclear technology I just

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an advanced intelligence in the universe

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systems and I was watching another

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civilization had just developed nuclear

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weapons I would be very much interested

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in what they were doing especially if

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space and they will constitute a threat

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to my civilization so that's my

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speculation to to that short commentary

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Anna who had this experience in

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Guatemala the man they met Ben he

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claimed to be called Van Osten he also

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claimed to work in our nuclear energy

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somehow that was his claim I don't know

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but it's an interesting combination here

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may be told they were interested in what

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we were doing to this planet and they

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don't know but that's what he claimed I

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humanity for century after century after

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developed some amazing technology and

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nuclear but

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future of artificial intelligence and

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nanotech and a quantum computing which

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may actually is theorized to be being

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used right now at the NSA's new data

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that's what they call it in Utah where

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they have every single email that not

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only I have written but probably that

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you have written who knows anyway we're

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developing capability now that's going

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off the charts so to speak and any other

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intelligence that's able to observe us I

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would think is realizing that we are

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about to leap into their world as it

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maybe in a way that we might be an issue

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greatest show right now in this part of

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the universe personally just about the

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establish establishing contact if we see

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Fatima that was some kind of trying to

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reach contact but there's not only

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Fatima we also have lurch and several

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other places around the world with

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similar events so maybe one of the

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species we don't know how many has

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sometime some type of trying to

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establish contact you know I don't know

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that's that way I don't know avoiding

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too much people too much cameras but

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like this in Fatima was to Shepherds to

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little children three little children

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see but of course there are also the the

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alleged reported abductions several

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types of abductions that's also some

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sort of contact

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hello

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this is kind of a question that

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everybody could chip in on to but the

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whole thing about all the evidence over

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the years it seems like we're always

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close to getting something and then it

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slips between the fingers doesn't it

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sometimes seem like a joke that's

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running is running and running you go

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hundred years back you find similar

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cases where ah we almost proved that the

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airship with was there but and even now

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with advanced or advanced technology

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video cameras I know you don't have a

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camera on you all the time and the phone

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it takes a little bit of time to get it

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out and prepare and even get good images

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but doesn't it seem like that there's

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something always preventing I'm kinda

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asking this kind of in connection with

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the first question what are your

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thoughts on on this I think it's it's a

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like a fighting between the ones that

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want to keep the truth and the ones that

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want to know the truth

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see but also the ones that want to keep

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the truth always try to win it through

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faith it's not a matter of faith of

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belief because not some it's not a

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matter of religion it's a matter of

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accepting the facts and the proofs are

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there you know we see in Portugal the

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military speaking openly about it so

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there are so there's no taboo maybe that

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the press the media is in some way

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controlled in the in order to divert the

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attentions but if you want to know just

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go there and you find it

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there's some excellent video cases right

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now that I personally think are

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legitimate I'm thinking of Turkey 2008

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all right I was afraid of that one for a

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while because it just seemed too good

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really if you know what I'm referring to

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it's just incredible but I currently

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believe that that's legitimate UFO and

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it's unbelievably good video it's got a

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lot of witnesses now supporting it over

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the Sea of Marmara there and so what you

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know why doesn't that do it you know you

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might ask and it's a fair question it's

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not that we don't have the video and the

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evidence and the statements as I say any

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reasonable mind when you put all of this

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together has got to say it's real and

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they whoever they are they're here but

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what we've learned is that first of all

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ask yourself what would constitute proof

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and who's authorized to declare

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something to be proof it's a good

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question as that's a political question

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more than a scientific question who is

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authorized to say that this proof

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apparently I'm not because if I were I

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would have declared it already I have

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declared it no one listens none of these

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other gentlemen here so you know we look

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to our political or Talking Heads in in

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the political office in my country it's

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Obama here it's other people and none of

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those people have made it and you know

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one other example I'll just tell you

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like I mentioned the Kennedy

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assassination earlier in in you know in

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America like 80 percent of all Americans

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and like a hundred percent of the rest

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of the world knows that there was a

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conspiracy to kill John F Kennedy it

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doesn't matter why because officially

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speaking the truth is that one guy did

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it alone even though no one really

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believes it no one believes that but

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it's like you know you've got this

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official truth and you've got the actual

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truth and we have to figure out a way to

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break through the political control

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that's

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obviously standing in the white and and

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I want to add to that that I think it

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was back in 2009 that two very respected

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social sociologic sociological

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scientists so they published a study and

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and that's another study it was a

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scientific paper in which they asked

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them the question why is it that

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government's treat this subject like a

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taboo and they and and it was called

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UFOs and sovereignty and their and their

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hypothesis is that if governments the

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government's cannot cannot ever

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seriously consider the UFO question as

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something that they would discuss about

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because it would withdraw the legitimacy

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of their governance because in in the

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way our states are our nation's

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countries are organized politic politics

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is organized it means that power is

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always distributed among human beings

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there's no you know nobody has ever

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thought in that sit in that political

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system of the possibility that there

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might be some superior species coming

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that maybe you know that might be 100

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1000 1 million 1 billion years ahead in

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their evolution and yeah so people would

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start to ask questions basically you

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know if you have if you have an advanced

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species coming to this planet and this

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is you know this is my favorite question

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would be you know what's your highest

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tax rate you know already oh you don't

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have taxes why how do you pay your oh

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you don't even have money about how is

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your but you know or let's say that's

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the original sin also count for the

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aliens you know do they have to carry a

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veil like the Muslims for example and so

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those are questions that for religions

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would be really dangerous so and and

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there are so many issues at stake here

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that that would it would completely

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reorganize the whole way we have we have

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thought our society

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how a society has been organized so far

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so if I were if I were that the the

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President of the United States and I

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knew that there was something going on

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and I wanted to keep my job you know I

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would I would stay silent because it

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would not only be the last day in my

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office it would be the end of the office

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itself

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let me just add I co-authored a book on

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exactly this topic we called it ad after

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disclosure and it was a whole attempt to

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study a how could disclosure even happen

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seems like it's impossible but I think

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it's not impossible and then B what

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happens after that

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and and in the process of writing that

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book that was I call it the great

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adventure of my life because really we

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had to think through it we pretended we

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were like a think tank and asking not

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idealistic utopian question but trying

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to be practical and ask what actually

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would happen if this secret were to come

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out and what we decided is that it would

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be just absolutely radical revolutionary

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transformative in every possible way no

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matter who these other beings were

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whether they were good bad or

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indifferent to us that it would

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transform us politically in multiple

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ways economically in terms of our energy

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paradigm and in terms of our spiritual /

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religious beliefs in terms of our

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culture everything everything and

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everything becomes challenged and and

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for that reason when we finished the

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book it really hit me like this is why

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there's the secrecy because it's it's

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across the entire range of our

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civilization that things would change I

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think we're ready for the next question

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my name is Jared I want to add something

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to the nuclear subject I know that there

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are articles out there that well it's

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about scientists that are unable to

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explain that the high radiation that

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they have been measuring after the

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Fukushima disaster that they have

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suddenly dropped and also they have been

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there's been a lot of UFO sightings

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around the area so it seems like

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they are helping us on these problems

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but that is something that you could

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maybe look into and now for the question

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okay yeah I really you mean if they are

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helping us is that the question no there

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is a articles out there that show that

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the radio that a radiation level has

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gone very low and they are not able to

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explain it and at the same time a lot of

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UFO sightings have been yeah that's not

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it's not a question it's just oh I don't

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know about that but okay yeah well my

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question is one of my biggest concerns

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these days are the chemtrails that we

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see every day is the weather

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manipulation and I want to ask any

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either of you if you know anything about

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this and also some relation to the UFOs

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maybe I don't think I know more than

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anyone else in this room on chemtrails I

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mean we're all interested in it I've

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never really seen a direct connection to

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UFOs personally nothing that I think oh

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yes absolutely but I don't know I mean

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chemtrails are I think a real phenomenon

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I think it's clandestine and there was a

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case where the German military didn't

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they admit that they were doing

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chemtrails

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I think a couple of years ago and oh and

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the British also so I don't know we need

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to look into what more okay I don't know

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I know an astronomer who spent his whole

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life at that year-old lab and South

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America somewhere trying to find some

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planet that could support physical life

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and he's never found it and it's like

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he's not even close to finding it within

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any area near us and I think this is

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part of enigma about the UFO phenomenon

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because if there's if they're not coming

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from any physical like water-based life

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or what we can understand is a system

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that would support physical life then

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where are what are they coming from

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well in the last decade you know a lot

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of that's been transformed of course I

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mean there have been many many now

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extrasolar planets that are being

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detected and many more every year our

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capabilities only in the last few years

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have gotten to a point where we really

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can detect earth sized planets so we're

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just at the beginning I think what the

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story's far as extrasolar planets is how

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many we're finding now and I'd like to

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add something it's true that they have

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not yet found a planet which which shows

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the perfect conditions for life as we

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understand it to develop there however

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here on earth scientists have have

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discovered so many interesting new

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developments in terms of how do you

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define life because we have the

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scientists have discovered that that

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life that exists not only exists in

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Arsenic and in our sonic environment but

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which is poison for us but which even

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integrates this arsenic in its body you

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00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,769
know and there so just recently you have

546
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:47,720
written an article on this and this is

547
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:51,200
just amazing how many of these

548
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:54,380
prerequisites fall apart and and just

549
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:58,160
turn out to be nothing but a mere human

550
00:26:54,380 --> 00:27:00,800
eccentric anthropocentric concept of

551
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:04,009
what life is actually all about you know

552
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:05,210
and and and on in our world and on our

553
00:27:04,009 --> 00:27:09,200
planet it might be on it

554
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:11,720
might be carbon-based you know but you

555
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,179
never know what you know the universe is

556
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,370
so huge and we're just this tiny little

557
00:27:14,179 --> 00:27:18,350
planet and we know nothing about what

558
00:27:16,369 --> 00:27:21,289
life actually is and we can even have

559
00:27:18,349 --> 00:27:24,109
serious doubts about our understanding

560
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:26,808
of reality itself is it really only

561
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:29,839
based on three dimensions plus linear

562
00:27:26,808 --> 00:27:33,490
time you know and and all of those

563
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:36,859
anthropocentric things are actually like

564
00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:37,638
things that prevent us from seriously

565
00:27:36,859 --> 00:27:40,189
considering the

566
00:27:37,638 --> 00:27:42,108
possibility of life in different forms

567
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:50,419
that we have never thought about that

568
00:27:42,108 --> 00:27:53,569
you do you want to add something I think

569
00:27:50,419 --> 00:27:56,320
it's a I think it's important that we

570
00:27:53,569 --> 00:27:58,939
don't lock the you for question to

571
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:02,298
extraterrestrials there are several

572
00:27:58,940 --> 00:28:05,649
options here I think if we just talk

573
00:28:02,298 --> 00:28:08,328
about extraterrestrials we we may be

574
00:28:05,648 --> 00:28:11,328
little bit off there are several options

575
00:28:08,328 --> 00:28:16,219
and how can these people who obviously

576
00:28:11,328 --> 00:28:18,348
have this technology look like us and be

577
00:28:16,219 --> 00:28:22,759
among us if they come from another

578
00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:26,168
planet III just give this as an example

579
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:30,618
I think we should not be too too much

580
00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:33,159
into the ETH the extraterrestrial theory

581
00:28:30,618 --> 00:28:38,648
there are several possibilities

582
00:28:33,159 --> 00:28:41,359
earth-based aliens parallel dimensions

583
00:28:38,648 --> 00:28:43,878
paranormal phenomena there are several

584
00:28:41,358 --> 00:28:47,148
options and I think if we lock the you

585
00:28:43,878 --> 00:28:49,338
for questions to extraterrestrials we

586
00:28:47,148 --> 00:28:51,078
are a bit off sort of I think we should

587
00:28:49,338 --> 00:28:58,368
be open-minded to many many

588
00:28:51,078 --> 00:29:00,408
possibilities here yes I think is a I've

589
00:28:58,368 --> 00:29:02,778
been a little disappointed that you are

590
00:29:00,409 --> 00:29:05,329
coming and you are just saying oh yeah

591
00:29:02,778 --> 00:29:08,509
some people think they are there and we

592
00:29:05,328 --> 00:29:09,769
cannot really decide and I think the

593
00:29:08,509 --> 00:29:14,479
interesting thing is what you are

594
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:19,690
talking about now and you said that that

595
00:29:14,479 --> 00:29:23,528
this book you wrote if if we

596
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:29,659
collectively would agree that there are

597
00:29:23,528 --> 00:29:31,940
UFOs or some something then that would

598
00:29:29,659 --> 00:29:34,309
change a lot now I would ask all of you

599
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:38,328
has it changed you you have been through

600
00:29:34,308 --> 00:29:40,548
all this you have been that in 40 years

601
00:29:38,328 --> 00:29:43,128
and you have gathered everything and

602
00:29:40,548 --> 00:29:46,929
that's what we I'm interested in what

603
00:29:43,128 --> 00:29:50,759
has it done to you to know these things

604
00:29:46,929 --> 00:29:54,179
well that was a good question

605
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:57,528
well I think it has changed me in

606
00:29:54,179 --> 00:30:01,619
several ways I'm I'm more open-minded to

607
00:29:57,528 --> 00:30:05,459
possibilities today than I was before

608
00:30:01,618 --> 00:30:07,948
III i think this universe we live in is

609
00:30:05,459 --> 00:30:11,339
fantastic i think it is a fantastic

610
00:30:07,949 --> 00:30:13,829
riddle that we can sit here and discuss

611
00:30:11,338 --> 00:30:17,190
something that we have consciousness I

612
00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:19,078
mean I think consciousness it's a

613
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:24,179
fantastic riddle I think the whole

614
00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:26,428
universe is is so strange that I'm I'm

615
00:30:24,179 --> 00:30:28,259
open mind I become more open-minded by

616
00:30:26,429 --> 00:30:30,690
studying this phenomenon or open-minded

617
00:30:28,259 --> 00:30:33,719
to paranormal phenomena parallel

618
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:36,088
dimensions anything but of course I want

619
00:30:33,719 --> 00:30:39,269
facts but I think it's very important

620
00:30:36,088 --> 00:30:41,098
that we we look into these things and

621
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:43,979
hopefully they will changes in the

622
00:30:41,098 --> 00:30:47,519
better for the better to become more

623
00:30:43,979 --> 00:30:58,528
impaired emphatic more open mind and the

624
00:30:47,519 --> 00:31:03,509
better citizens well that's that's a

625
00:30:58,528 --> 00:31:07,558
difficult question I I try to be a good

626
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:11,159
guy I hope there are some others out

627
00:31:07,558 --> 00:31:16,440
there somewhere was also into the higher

628
00:31:11,159 --> 00:31:18,629
intelligence conspiracy no I I think I

629
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:23,759
think I think basically this is a good

630
00:31:18,628 --> 00:31:26,028
thing because it makes us think it's

631
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:28,979
sort of education through astonishment

632
00:31:26,028 --> 00:31:30,929
when you put many people who observe

633
00:31:28,979 --> 00:31:33,389
something like this and I've talked to

634
00:31:30,929 --> 00:31:37,288
many witnesses who after an observations

635
00:31:33,388 --> 00:31:41,068
become changed they start studying

636
00:31:37,288 --> 00:31:43,348
things they never studied before and yes

637
00:31:41,068 --> 00:31:46,499
I think basically this is a positive

638
00:31:43,348 --> 00:31:50,178
thing and I hope it is of course and I

639
00:31:46,499 --> 00:31:50,179
hope I haven't change for the better

640
00:31:51,469 --> 00:31:58,969
for me it has it didn't change me

641
00:31:55,318 --> 00:32:03,749
because it was never a doubt for me

642
00:31:58,969 --> 00:32:04,259
since child was I always believed that I

643
00:32:03,749 --> 00:32:08,160
was

644
00:32:04,259 --> 00:32:14,429
we were not the only ones so I did not

645
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:20,308
discover anything new in this path but

646
00:32:14,429 --> 00:32:29,640
it's how I say it it turned me more

647
00:32:20,308 --> 00:32:33,000
tolerant to to other people it to me let

648
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:36,179
me to let me to know how to hear other

649
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,730
people other other opinions and to

650
00:32:36,179 --> 00:32:42,720
research research more profoundly this

651
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:45,329
subject in order to explain it to even

652
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,350
more people you see but it didn't change

653
00:32:45,329 --> 00:32:54,808
me in the inside because for me it was

654
00:32:49,349 --> 00:32:56,879
always real okay as a complex question

655
00:32:54,808 --> 00:33:00,119
because we're all complex people you

656
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,919
know my mother said to me once Richard

657
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,699
you have always been this way when you

658
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:05,790
were 10 years old

659
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:08,850
you're exactly this way but really this

660
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:10,440
topic has changed me very basically I

661
00:33:08,849 --> 00:33:14,399
remember I got into it in my early

662
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:17,340
thirties and I thought I thought I knew

663
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,710
all everything you know I I was very

664
00:33:17,339 --> 00:33:22,259
good at my university studies and I

665
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:24,929
thought I was ahead of the curve as we

666
00:33:22,259 --> 00:33:29,640
say and then I realized that my whole

667
00:33:24,929 --> 00:33:33,900
worldview was let's say either grossly

668
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:36,059
inadequate or just wrong the first year

669
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:38,070
that I was in this field I distinctly

670
00:33:36,058 --> 00:33:39,960
remember spending many nights literally

671
00:33:38,069 --> 00:33:42,000
lying in bed staring at the ceiling

672
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,490
unable to sleep because of two reasons

673
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,058
one I was trying to reconfigure my whole

674
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:49,859
worldview which was not fun because no

675
00:33:48,058 --> 00:33:53,339
one wants to do that who wants to

676
00:33:49,859 --> 00:33:56,548
rethink their really you know you get to

677
00:33:53,339 --> 00:33:57,689
age 30 and that's so young and even by

678
00:33:56,548 --> 00:33:58,889
then people think well they've got it

679
00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,690
all figured out why I know how the world

680
00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:03,270
works and they spend the rest of their

681
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:05,070
lives filling in the blanks of what they

682
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:07,500
think they already know that's most

683
00:34:05,069 --> 00:34:10,168
people and so once and then if you're in

684
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,960
a professional environment it's even

685
00:34:10,168 --> 00:34:15,059
worse because you have to be smart you

686
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,470
have to be responsible and fit fit in

687
00:34:15,059 --> 00:34:19,690
and you don't want to rock the boat

688
00:34:17,469 --> 00:34:24,459
I was 32 years old when I started this

689
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:27,340
and I just was upset because I had to

690
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:29,918
rethink my whole world and and then the

691
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:32,710
second part of that is courage you have

692
00:34:29,918 --> 00:34:35,289
to be brave because you have to be

693
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:38,320
willing to let go of what you thought

694
00:34:35,289 --> 00:34:41,500
was true and that's the lesson I had to

695
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:44,169
learn a bit it was it was a little bit

696
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:47,108
of fear when I started and and now I

697
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,179
don't care now it's like like in the

698
00:34:47,108 --> 00:34:52,299
movie the matrix where you take the red

699
00:34:49,179 --> 00:34:54,099
pill and the red pill used now see

700
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:55,990
reality I wish it were that easy just

701
00:34:54,099 --> 00:34:59,050
take a red pill what it really is like

702
00:34:55,989 --> 00:35:01,659
is in this field the first time I

703
00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:04,480
realized that I I concluded that UFOs

704
00:35:01,659 --> 00:35:07,329
were real that was like ripping open one

705
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,480
veil there it goes and that was good for

706
00:35:07,329 --> 00:35:12,069
a little while and then you stay in this

707
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,199
field and then you run into more strange

708
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:16,150
things and then you realize you got to

709
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:18,759
rip another veil away and then another

710
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:20,829
one and you just keep going and at the

711
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,500
point now I don't care now I I can rip

712
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:28,179
the veils away I'm without as much

713
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:30,460
trauma as before it's never easy though

714
00:35:28,179 --> 00:35:36,299
but that's really it I think it teaches

715
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:36,300
you fearlessness which is the best thing

716
00:35:36,329 --> 00:35:55,569
yeah it has changed my life just a quick

717
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:56,769
commentary just a quick commentary you

718
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:59,289
know when you when you first start to

719
00:35:56,769 --> 00:36:00,909
realize as you said that it's true that

720
00:35:59,289 --> 00:36:03,250
it's real that you know that obviously

721
00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:05,199
we are we're being visited by some body

722
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:06,550
some things you know you don't know

723
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,710
whether it's Time Traveller's I mean

724
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:10,539
whatever you know it hits you really

725
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:12,670
hard and your your stomach it's like oh

726
00:36:10,539 --> 00:36:15,070
my god you know it you know it's really

727
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:16,570
and and then you know it's really

728
00:36:15,070 --> 00:36:20,470
fascinating for a while but then you

729
00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:23,588
start to I mean I started to like delve

730
00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:25,868
into dive into like more profound

731
00:36:23,588 --> 00:36:28,088
questions you know for me it was like a

732
00:36:25,869 --> 00:36:30,180
journey to questions more profound

733
00:36:28,088 --> 00:36:32,610
questions that mankind has been

734
00:36:30,179 --> 00:36:34,919
asking itself for since the beginning of

735
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:38,340
its existence you know where do we come

736
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,530
from what's our relationship to the

737
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:43,140
universe well where are we going to have

738
00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:46,260
dinner tonight by the way

739
00:36:43,139 --> 00:36:48,929
I mean really profound questions you

740
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:52,170
know and I think that you know and what

741
00:36:48,929 --> 00:36:54,000
I'm most fascinated with is actually the

742
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:57,360
relation between reality and

743
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,489
consciousness because when you when you

744
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,769
seriously deal with this UFO subject you

745
00:36:59,489 --> 00:37:04,139
study the cases where those UFOs appear

746
00:37:01,769 --> 00:37:05,639
and disappear how where they want and

747
00:37:04,139 --> 00:37:08,190
how they want and they do whatever they

748
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:10,049
like you know then you start to ask

749
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:12,269
yourself what what is reality actually

750
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:14,100
all about is there may be some something

751
00:37:12,269 --> 00:37:15,869
like a parallel space which we aren't

752
00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:17,639
even aware of something like another

753
00:37:15,869 --> 00:37:19,469
dimension or something is there anything

754
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:21,809
else and what is the relationship with

755
00:37:19,469 --> 00:37:25,319
consciousness and I think that the the

756
00:37:21,809 --> 00:37:28,440
key to understanding the UFO phenomenon

757
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,470
with all of its facets and and and

758
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:36,780
things and of reality is consciousness

759
00:37:31,469 --> 00:37:39,559
research and I think that that this this

760
00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:43,410
is the thing that will eventually change

761
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:45,900
mankind like nothing that has ever come

762
00:37:43,409 --> 00:37:48,599
before because the effect of mind over

763
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:51,660
meta is scientifically proven this is

764
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:54,929
not a conspiracy theory or something

765
00:37:51,659 --> 00:37:58,980
this is true that we do create and

766
00:37:54,929 --> 00:38:01,289
co-create our reality the that that's a

767
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:04,260
scientific fact now the question is to

768
00:38:01,289 --> 00:38:07,230
which degree in which what what time

769
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:09,120
does it take for reality to transform

770
00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:11,130
when I when I you know when I do

771
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,109
something with my consciousness I could

772
00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:14,280
talk about this for ages if I have to

773
00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:19,170
move on exactly

774
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:21,120
it's very big topic we only have we only

775
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,519
have time for a few more questions we

776
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:26,279
have one more here it's about this

777
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:29,369
contact thing which bother me little

778
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,590
about a couple of years ago my knowledge

779
00:38:29,369 --> 00:38:34,469
about scientific questions is not that

780
00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:37,140
big I must admit unlimited but a couple

781
00:38:34,469 --> 00:38:40,679
of years ago I heard in the radio that

782
00:38:37,139 --> 00:38:43,289
about 50 years ago some governments if

783
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,009
and you and whatever had had a big

784
00:38:43,289 --> 00:38:46,139
discussion

785
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:51,210
about what are to be done if someone

786
00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:53,219
meets a youthful and it was a lot of

787
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:56,099
talking and they had come to the

788
00:38:53,219 --> 00:38:59,459
conclusion that you was not supposed to

789
00:38:56,099 --> 00:39:01,789
contact them and they also had a voting

790
00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:03,599
about one woman who was to be the

791
00:39:01,789 --> 00:39:05,460
representants from the Earthlings

792
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:08,639
through the you four people

793
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:12,329
and that this was a rule for all of us I

794
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:15,449
don't know if it's a joke or if it's

795
00:39:12,329 --> 00:39:17,759
something actually or what what maybe

796
00:39:15,449 --> 00:39:19,139
some of you could may I say something I

797
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:27,570
think you're referring to that woman

798
00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:33,779
from the United Nations this is just a

799
00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:35,910
couple of years ago yeah right it sounds

800
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:40,710
like you know the UN there is some kind

801
00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:42,779
of resolution that stated in effect that

802
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:45,119
yes if we make contact the United

803
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:47,580
Nations will have an office from which

804
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,409
to conduct relations with these other

805
00:39:47,579 --> 00:39:51,449
beings and this woman you're saying what

806
00:39:49,409 --> 00:39:53,670
was her name mezcla North Quinlan

807
00:39:51,449 --> 00:39:57,059
it would be the designated

808
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:58,320
representative for the world so you you

809
00:39:57,059 --> 00:40:05,099
know is that really how it will go down

810
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:07,019
probably not no she refused as in a

811
00:40:05,099 --> 00:40:09,299
press conference a couple she refused

812
00:40:07,019 --> 00:40:11,190
days after yeah oh yeah may I add

813
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,050
something to this and I also read this

814
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:15,300
and this is really interesting for me

815
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:17,330
being a journalist because on on the

816
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:20,340
very same day that news came out

817
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:23,130
something else happened that was

818
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:24,570
significant for the UFO field and that

819
00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:27,900
was a press conference at the National

820
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:30,420
Press Club in Washington DC the UFOs and

821
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:32,430
nukes press conference where Robert

822
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:34,500
Salas and Robert Hastings two

823
00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:37,019
researchers one of whom is is a witness

824
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:39,389
himself to UFOs hovering over a nuclear

825
00:40:37,019 --> 00:40:41,519
test site organized the press conference

826
00:40:39,389 --> 00:40:46,139
and they had invited five more people

827
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:48,239
firsthand witnesses to UFOs over nuclear

828
00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:50,609
missile sites and for me it was really

829
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,019
interesting to see that even though that

830
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:55,140
press conference had been announced

831
00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:57,179
months before that on that very day when

832
00:40:55,139 --> 00:40:59,969
it took place suddenly the pop

833
00:40:57,179 --> 00:41:03,000
attention was distracted to that to that

834
00:40:59,969 --> 00:41:06,029
news from that mrs. Hoffman or whatever

835
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,579
who later deny that it was true it was

836
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:11,670
just it was just this information and in

837
00:41:08,579 --> 00:41:13,318
my opinion this stinks you know I'm

838
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:16,889
really suspicious I really think that

839
00:41:13,318 --> 00:41:19,230
this was this was maybe an example of

840
00:41:16,889 --> 00:41:21,179
what we can see you know in terms of

841
00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:23,608
this information on a very large scale

842
00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:25,828
and on such a large scale that even the

843
00:41:23,608 --> 00:41:28,889
journalists who do the report they have

844
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:31,349
no clue because they do what they're

845
00:41:28,889 --> 00:41:33,989
being told what is written by the news

846
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:36,180
agencies you know and and they just

847
00:41:33,989 --> 00:41:38,729
follow that report you know if they just

848
00:41:36,179 --> 00:41:40,500
never hear about a press conference at

849
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:42,960
the National Press Club how could they

850
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:44,969
ever write a report on it of course they

851
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,940
will stick to the news of the United

852
00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:49,939
Nations and mrs. Othman ruling the world

853
00:42:34,449 --> 00:42:39,169
everyone have their pitchforks and

854
00:42:36,619 --> 00:42:42,710
shotguns a very valid point but we I

855
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:44,210
think we have to move on yes I would

856
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:47,960
like to thank you gentlemen for this

857
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:50,619
evening I found your presentations very

858
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,179
stimulating and making me more curious

859
00:42:50,619 --> 00:42:56,450
but my question is for my fellow

860
00:42:53,179 --> 00:43:00,710
attendees you can have a break for a

861
00:42:56,449 --> 00:43:03,559
minute we all came tonight I assume

862
00:43:00,710 --> 00:43:08,260
because we are somewhat curious about

863
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:12,409
this field about UFOs and I want to know

864
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:15,830
what caused the curiosity and just from

865
00:43:12,409 --> 00:43:19,420
a show of hands has anybody in this room

866
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:22,159
had any type of an encounter that

867
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:27,260
stimulated the curiosity to come here

868
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:29,989
tonight thank you for your honesty and

869
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:31,849
courage that's at least at least a third

870
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:36,469
of the people look like at least one

871
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:40,430
third oh yeah just a quick question for

872
00:43:36,469 --> 00:43:43,669
Robert this might be a little weird but

873
00:43:40,429 --> 00:43:45,649
have you come across anything in your

874
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:49,519
research in Germany about the Hitler's

875
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:51,858
UFOs and no no nothing at all and I'm

876
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:57,880
not and I'm not actively pursuing that

877
00:43:51,858 --> 00:43:57,880
subject for a couple of reasons

878
00:43:58,088 --> 00:44:03,259
first of all first of all I hate

879
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,780
everything that all the news stories

880
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:07,550
about World War two I just can't hear it

881
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:10,460
anymore you know I don't want you know I

882
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:12,680
I I was born in 1970 a there was so many

883
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:15,230
years after World War two you know and

884
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,609
in and on the German mass media we are

885
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:19,579
constantly being bombarded

886
00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:23,590
with Hitler's darkest secrets tonight

887
00:44:19,579 --> 00:44:26,809
you know don't miss it and and Hitler's

888
00:44:23,590 --> 00:44:28,820
willing help helping people in Hitler's

889
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:31,009
stuff that I entered on you know and I

890
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:33,050
just don't like it I just don't like the

891
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:35,720
subject anymore I think you know me

892
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:38,660
being that's the first thing okay the

893
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,369
second thing is that if you even if you

894
00:44:38,659 --> 00:44:42,889
would seriously and there are a couple

895
00:44:40,369 --> 00:44:45,019
of examples of such researchers in

896
00:44:42,889 --> 00:44:48,529
Germany even if you seriously consider

897
00:44:45,019 --> 00:44:51,019
the possibility that the the Nazis at

898
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:53,750
that time had advanced very advanced

899
00:44:51,019 --> 00:44:56,420
military technology that they were even

900
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:58,820
and you only you know if you only try to

901
00:44:56,420 --> 00:45:04,750
research whether they had that or not

902
00:44:58,820 --> 00:45:07,490
you know it's your very easily being

903
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:09,639
displayed as a Nazi yourself just

904
00:45:07,489 --> 00:45:12,500
because you deal with that question and

905
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:14,779
that it that is also one of the reasons

906
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:16,219
why I don't but you know I really I mean

907
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:20,060
I'm constantly being asked that question

908
00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:22,669
about Hitler and and and and Nazi flight

909
00:45:20,059 --> 00:45:25,820
technology and yeah maybe as a maybe I

910
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:37,889
will maybe the time will be ripe soon to

911
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:39,750
talk about that yeah

912
00:45:37,889 --> 00:45:43,289
yes and we have to stop this event five

913
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:45,329
minutes ago so okay we have we have okay

914
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:48,590
we are we are I'm sorry not short

915
00:45:45,329 --> 00:45:50,880
questions we are not time travelers

916
00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:52,500
Germans who are working on disc-shaped

917
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,690
airframes in World War two many of us

918
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,849
now know this that's been confirmed in

919
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:58,470
and how far they went is another issue

920
00:45:56,849 --> 00:46:01,469
then in games the whole issue of the

921
00:45:58,469 --> 00:46:03,659
clock the Bell and how successful that

922
00:46:01,469 --> 00:46:06,569
wasn't and all we have our stories made

923
00:46:03,659 --> 00:46:07,500
may be reality but we don't know I have

924
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:09,900
a question

925
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:13,190
I read channel active channel links

926
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:15,720
amongst other things and they talk about

927
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:19,019
disclosure being just around the corner

928
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,969
and they've done that for some time what

929
00:46:19,019 --> 00:46:23,489
do you think about this is the cook

930
00:46:20,969 --> 00:46:25,049
disclosure just around the corner if

931
00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:26,609
there's disclosure you can be sure it'll

932
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:27,720
be filled with lies there won't be a

933
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:29,880
truthful disclosure

934
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,980
it'll happen because the powers that be

935
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,440
are forced into it by us by an event

936
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:35,699
that's out of their control the CIA and

937
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,650
all of our allies are not going to walk

938
00:46:35,699 --> 00:46:39,750
away from the table just because they're

939
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:41,700
now forced into talking about it they

940
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:42,840
will not give up so their disclosures

941
00:46:41,699 --> 00:46:44,849
not the end of anything it's the

942
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,120
beginning a beginning of a whole new

943
00:46:44,849 --> 00:46:51,179
struggle for truth as far as channeled

944
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:53,130
messages predicting this look I don't

945
00:46:51,179 --> 00:46:55,859
I used to completely discount all

946
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:58,559
channel I still discount most of it but

947
00:46:55,860 --> 00:47:00,059
I will acknowledge that that the human

948
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:03,210
mind just as Robert said consciousness

949
00:47:00,059 --> 00:47:05,670
is key I agree so who knows really but

950
00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:08,329
all of these predictions I just want to

951
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:10,500
slap every predictor I'm tired of it

952
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:14,429
prediction this is the bane of this

953
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:15,780
field it is the bane of this field when

954
00:47:14,429 --> 00:47:17,699
people make these predictions because

955
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:20,430
they're always wrong every one of them

956
00:47:17,699 --> 00:47:24,710
and so I don't really pay attention to

957
00:47:20,429 --> 00:47:29,190
channel predictions at all last question

958
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:32,990
have they Bank engineered any of those

959
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:35,400
UFOs let's say that one from Roswell

960
00:47:32,989 --> 00:47:38,339
short answer I would say yes I believe

961
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,470
they have no we're short on time but I I

962
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:43,950
firmly believe that's been one of the

963
00:47:40,469 --> 00:47:45,629
major reasons for secrecy on this topic

964
00:47:43,949 --> 00:47:46,829
because it's not just knowledge of other

965
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:49,140
beings that are here it's it's

966
00:47:46,829 --> 00:47:51,098
possession of the technology which must

967
00:47:49,139 --> 00:47:53,708
never be shared

968
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:55,509
because if you have this and you let the

969
00:47:53,708 --> 00:47:57,848
world know you have it it becomes very

970
00:47:55,509 --> 00:48:00,119
difficult not to share it with all the

971
00:47:57,849 --> 00:48:02,440
other people you don't want to have it

972
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,630
instead if you have monopoly monopoly

973
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,369
over it you've got a great money maker

974
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:10,719
and you've got power and you have the

975
00:48:06,369 --> 00:48:12,548
future in your hands okay we could go on

976
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,509
for days and days and days with this

977
00:48:12,548 --> 00:48:18,579
subject we have to stop now it's running

978
00:48:16,509 --> 00:48:20,920
really late thank you very much for

979
00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:23,759
coming I was so happy that so many came

980
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,759
thank you very much